tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20908771.post114271547861746594..comments2023-09-23T06:58:34.343-07:00Comments on The Bipolar View: Feminism, Racism and Privilegespotted elephanthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17681544565260222585noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20908771.post-1143113217509916982006-03-23T03:26:00.000-08:002006-03-23T03:26:00.000-08:00Give the Patriarchy the Finger!http://joansarmy.bl...Give the Patriarchy the Finger!<BR/><BR/>http://joansarmy.blogspot.com/Kel-Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04982430426722542837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20908771.post-1143014660680656272006-03-22T00:04:00.000-08:002006-03-22T00:04:00.000-08:00Boy, I got smacked with this one last week. Good ...Boy, I got smacked with this one last week. Good post.Veronicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17219976185183048440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20908771.post-1142807316675945362006-03-19T14:28:00.000-08:002006-03-19T14:28:00.000-08:00Kaka-I have to say that your blog has never been o...Kaka-I have to say that your blog has never been one that offended me! I think my problem is less with the word crazy itself, and more with using mental illness to explain bad behavior.<BR/><BR/>And thank you for the link! I do appreciate it.<BR/><BR/>veganium2-I disagree that racial discrimination is the same as any other bad treatment on a personal level. It's an entrenched form of discrimination that has implications far beyond other types of common bad treatment one experiences.<BR/><BR/>I work hard to not make students feel accused. You're right-I'd get nowhere with them if I started off like that. And I do start off the discussion with the caveat that this will be uncomfortable, and I remind the students that *I'm* white, so I experience privilege. But no matter how much groundwork I lay out, no matter how carefully I tread, the resistance to hearing this is extreme.spotted elephanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17681544565260222585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20908771.post-1142804949055800602006-03-19T13:49:00.000-08:002006-03-19T13:49:00.000-08:00about the students not wanting to acknowledge priv...about the students not wanting to acknowledge privilege, i think that it's becuase on the personal level, racial discrimination is just another form of bad treatment, and everyone is a victim to bad treatment (by children at school, teachers, government and so on) so this is why they have hard time distingushing one discrimination form another.<BR/>perhaps it will be better to be carful not to give them a feeling they are accused of taking privilege, but instead to wan them not to give one, as a first step.VEGANiUM2https://www.blogger.com/profile/01553303094325941150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20908771.post-1142773694891129642006-03-19T05:08:00.000-08:002006-03-19T05:08:00.000-08:00Wow, SE. I read the link you posted and the links...Wow, SE. I read the link you posted and the links SHE posted and I'm rather at a loss for words except to say "Excellent points."<BR/><BR/>AND I've probably thrown around the word "crazy" a little too lightly myself and will take note of this in future posts. I'd like to think since I've had my share of probs with anxiety, I can own the word "crazy" a little--but, really, I can't. And I'm sorry for my false ownership of the word.<BR/><BR/>It's tough blogging sometimes. I think about tossing in the ol' blog towel at least weekly, but I don't. I hope you don't either, SE. I really like your style--I'm linking you now, to prove it.<BR/>Not that that's any friggin' stamp of Blog Approval, but the sentiment is genuine :)Kimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08203706993962458853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20908771.post-1142757434557957712006-03-19T00:37:00.000-08:002006-03-19T00:37:00.000-08:00Exactly-white people can say things like "It's not...Exactly-white people can say things like "It's not about race", not recognizing that they are the only ones who have the luxury of thinking like that. <BR/><BR/>Class is a really important and almost untouchable issue in this country. So many still think we aren't a class-based society. ??? It's more privilege-and again, those who are better-off don't think they get any special advantages.<BR/><BR/>It's really hard to talk about privilege, so people never want to talk about privilege, but we desperately *need* to talk about it.spotted elephanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17681544565260222585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20908771.post-1142751789546475272006-03-18T23:03:00.000-08:002006-03-18T23:03:00.000-08:00Man, is this ever one of the hardest things to try...Man, is this ever one of the hardest things to try and discuss!<BR/>Especially when a white male teacher was trying to tell us all how priviledged we are. <BR/><BR/>There are priviledges inherent in being of the dominant race, or the dominant culture, too. See how much fun you have being childless and an aetheist? You have faced hardships because of your beliefs, but to really know what it's like to be treated differently, we'd have to go to a different country to find a place where white people are spit upon, and treated as second class citizens.<BR/><BR/>On the other hand, I get cranky when it's assumed I have a lot of priviledge because I'm white, because many priviledges we assume go with whiteness go with RICH whiteness. <BR/><BR/>I get followed in stores too, I have people walk by and say horrible things to me because I look different than they do. It's not in the slightest bit to compare to the degradation that other people face for what they are born looking like, but it bothers me when things that I've gone through get discounted, because I'm white. <BR/><BR/>By now, I'm probably totally off subject, because this is such a difficult one to talk about, figure out, etc. We as white people literally can not understand what people of other races go through, because we aren't them. <BR/><BR/>One interesting point, that I hate, but is quite valid, is that as white people, we try to be color blind, but as a black or hispanic person, they are forced every day to view the world in races and cultures. We as white people can choose to be color blind because we are the dominant race, at least here in the US.Madame Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16996777165176316322noreply@blogger.com